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	<title>Comments on: Journal Club #3: H&#252;lya Adak, Jale Parla, and Nergis Ert&#252;rk on Turkish and world literature</title>
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	<description>A student of English lit tries to make it from ABD to Ph.D.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Shapiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Shapiro</dc:creator>
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		<description>Apparently it has taken me 11 months to fully process your remarks, Katy. But I might be coming around to your way of seeing things.

If our standards for expertise remain as high as they have been for the past generation or so, instructors will be so tightly ensconced in the areas of their expertise that it will become even rarer to see a syllabus that gives something of the world tour that literature is supposed to be so good at.

If we buy into the theory that a collegiate lit course should teach its students to love reading, that argument alone makes me think that instructors like me should be given at least a semester&#039;s training in how to teach texts whose contexts we will never fully know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently it has taken me 11 months to fully process your remarks, Katy. But I might be coming around to your way of seeing things.</p>
<p>If our standards for expertise remain as high as they have been for the past generation or so, instructors will be so tightly ensconced in the areas of their expertise that it will become even rarer to see a syllabus that gives something of the world tour that literature is supposed to be so good at.</p>
<p>If we buy into the theory that a collegiate lit course should teach its students to love reading, that argument alone makes me think that instructors like me should be given at least a semester&#8217;s training in how to teach texts whose contexts we will never fully know.</p>
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		<title>By: k8</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 03:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think I&#039;ve mentioned my feelings about PMLA.  I do think the issue is interesting, and in some ways it is similar to a discussion that&#039;s been going on at the CHILD_LIT listserve recently.  The another discussion digressed into a discussion of editing done to books originally published in places other than the US to prepare for US publishing - what cultural differences are explained, are words changed (boot vs. trunk), etc.  It comes down to this question of the reader&#039;s access to the author&#039;s culture.  Several people argued for keeping the differences and discussed the necessity of reading and examining difference in terms of our (children&#039;s) development.  

So I&#039;m thinking about this tension:  on one hand, reading/studying difference is good.  On the other, it is dangerous and damaging.  I&#039;m going to focus more on teaching than scholarship here (research can be something different and can be part of pedagogy).  

What I&#039;m really finding interesting, though, is that in the situations you describe, there seems to be the assumption that the professor must be an expert or specialist in all aspects of the curriculum.  This is a fairly top-down model of pedagogy.  Granted, I&#039;m from happy comp/rhet-land, but I don&#039;t have a problem with constructing a classroom environment in which the class collectively learns about a text and its cultural-historical contexts.  This can be a very rich learning environment that has the added benefit of helping students own their knowledge and learn how to learn both individually and as a group.  I think its ok to say let&#039;s learn about &quot;x&quot; together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think I&#8217;ve mentioned my feelings about PMLA.  I do think the issue is interesting, and in some ways it is similar to a discussion that&#8217;s been going on at the CHILD_LIT listserve recently.  The another discussion digressed into a discussion of editing done to books originally published in places other than the US to prepare for US publishing &#8211; what cultural differences are explained, are words changed (boot vs. trunk), etc.  It comes down to this question of the reader&#8217;s access to the author&#8217;s culture.  Several people argued for keeping the differences and discussed the necessity of reading and examining difference in terms of our (children&#8217;s) development.  </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m thinking about this tension:  on one hand, reading/studying difference is good.  On the other, it is dangerous and damaging.  I&#8217;m going to focus more on teaching than scholarship here (research can be something different and can be part of pedagogy).  </p>
<p>What I&#8217;m really finding interesting, though, is that in the situations you describe, there seems to be the assumption that the professor must be an expert or specialist in all aspects of the curriculum.  This is a fairly top-down model of pedagogy.  Granted, I&#8217;m from happy comp/rhet-land, but I don&#8217;t have a problem with constructing a classroom environment in which the class collectively learns about a text and its cultural-historical contexts.  This can be a very rich learning environment that has the added benefit of helping students own their knowledge and learn how to learn both individually and as a group.  I think its ok to say let&#8217;s learn about &#8220;x&#8221; together.</p>
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